The Alien Space Opera


Is the popular book ‘Alien Interview‘ by Lawrence Spencer the retelling of L. Ron Hubbard’s Space Opera?  There are near identical themes and memes in both.  Hubbard taught that we have “immortal souls”, called thetans, were perhaps “trillions” of years old.  He said humans were problematic because of our past history that involves a space opera.  The common themes of immortal souls, exiled empire tax cheats, use of excessive lengths of time “trillions”, and the meme “space opera” are all part and parcel in Scientology theology.

Scientology beliefs and practices

“The Church of Scientology says that a human is an immortal, spiritual being (thetan) that is resident in a physical body. The thetan has had innumerable past lives and it is observed in advanced Scientology texts that lives preceding the thetan’s arrival on Earth were lived in extraterrestrial cultures.

“The Church of Scientology believes that “Man is basically good…

“Scientologists also believe that people have innate, yet suppressed, power and ability…

The themes of immortal soul, man is basically good, and our suppressed soul power are all covered in the alien interview.  Scientology is a UFO cult, it is connected to the Deep State, the need for better explanations of origin and the maintainance of authority after contact.


“Scientology is a belief system created by science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard … Scientologists believe that humans are limited by traumatic past events that keep them from realizing their immortality.”

“Scientologists believe that humans are immortal beings that have been infected with the souls of dead aliens, which are the root of humanity’s problems.”

Space opera in Scientology

“The most controversial portion of Scientology’s space opera is the myth of Xenu,[14] known as “Incident 2”,[19] in which Hubbard described a group of 76 planets, orbiting stars visible from Earth, organized in a Galactic Confederacy c. 75 million years ago,[21][22] ruled by the dictator Xenu.[23][24] The confederacy having become overpopulated,[19] Xenu sent several billion of his citizens onto DC 8 planes to the planet Teegeeack (Earth),[23] ostensibly for tax audition.[25]”

Letters of support from Public to Graham Hancock

“From: Lawrence Spencer []
Sent: 07 November 2000 02:12
To: Graham Hancock
Subject: Your victory

Dear Graham,

Congratulations to you and Robert on your victory regarding the BBC attack! Well Done! I commend you on your courage and persistence.

I am the author of “The Oz Factors” (I sent both yourself and Robert a copy of my book last spring), so I certainly do have some first hand knowledge how the mainstream academic vested interests operate to suppress the truth. My book discusses this subject as one of the 12 “Oz Factors” which prevent our civilization from discovering answers to the mysteries of our existence.

I have been a Scientologist for 31 years. A good deal of my book is an application of the principles of L. Ron Hubbard as regards the fields of study into which you and Robert have so bravely advanced. Perhaps the material in my book will be of assistance to you at some point in your research.

Keep up the good fight!

Very Best Regards,
Lawrence R. Spencer
author of “The Oz Factors””

Did Lawrence Spencer or someone else invent the alien interview?  Did another Scientologist forward the transcript to him?  Was L. Ron Hubbard privy to Roswell Top Secret information?  What we do know is that common themes of Scientology theology are paralleled in ‘Alien Interview’.  We can not know for sure until Roswell is declassified.  If so, “Alien Interview’ just proves how humans are capable of lying about anything.


The CIA was created on July 26, 1947, when Harry S. Truman signed the National Security Act into law.

The bigger question, is Scientology a result of Roswell crash and alien interview?  1947 was a watershed year, the Deep State has its origin in Roswell, the CIA was formed along with the National Security Agency during the alien debriefing.  (Alien interview was completed on or about 31 July 1947.)  Not even a year after Roswell, Rothschild Israel became a new state.  Why?  Desperation in maintaining control of the evil Rothschild banking system – Israel is Rothschild private fiefdom.

Perhaps Spencer was forwarded Top Secret Alien Interview information from within the Scientology network.  It seems Hollywood knows all about alien stuff, since they are located right on the outskirts of Area 51 UFO reverse engineering. How many practicing Scientologists work for aerospace companies or government contractors in the Los Angeles area?  Hubbard was not only a former naval officer, he lived at the house of the guy who created the Jet Propulsion Labs:

L. Ron Hubbard

“In August 1945 Hubbard moved into the Pasadena mansion of John “Jack” Whiteside Parsons. A leading rocket propulsion researcher at the California Institute of Technology and a founder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Parsons led a double life as an avid occultist and Thelemite, follower of the English ceremonial magician Aleister Crowley and leader of a lodge of Crowley’s magical order, Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO).[18][130] He let rooms in the house only to tenants who he specified should be “atheists and those of a Bohemian disposition”.[131]

Hubbard befriended Parsons and soon became sexually involved with Parsons’s 21-year-old girlfriend, Sara “Betty” Northrup.[132]

Hubbard was very much part of the Hollywood and the aviation industry.  He was a former naval officer flunky, lived at the JPL founder Jack Parson’s home, dated Jack Northrup’s daughter Betty.  The Church headquarters is in Los Angeles.  The question begs the mind, was Scientology a post Roswell psychological operation of the CIA?  Was Scientology founded because the information revealed by the Grey Alien Airl?  Did the CIA create a church, through L. Ron Hubbard, using the Roswell interview information?

Bill Ryan of Project Avalon thinks ‘Alien Inteview’ is a hoax:

‘ALIEN INTERVIEW’ by Lawrence Spencer

Unfortunately, this book is a hoax. This is definitive.

Lawrence Spencer is careful (presumably for legal reasons) to offer the written disclaimer that ‘Alien Interview‘. should be regarded as a work of fiction, but it does the UFO community (and the Scientology community – see below) no favors when Spencer maintained on subsequent radio talk shows, some with sizable audiences, that the purported “interview” really happened. It did not.

Conveniently, the claimed source, “Matilda MacElroy” is “deceased” – and Spencer “destroyed all the original documentation”. So we’ll just have to take his word for it… and his word, publicly stated, is that he is portraying real events. Sadly, his word is not very honorable, and he is lying. I don’t often deploy that unpleasant word, but here its use is accurate and fair.

Any Scientologist with any experience will instantly recognize the very large number of terms and concepts directly borrowed from (and sourced by) L. Ron Hubbard.

These are literally too numerous to list, starting right at the start with “doll bodies”, “what’s true is what’s true for you”, “If you were looking for Hell, the Earth would suffice”, liberal use of the term “Space Opera”, the concept that the Earth is a prison planet, and much, much, much else. Find any friendly Scientologist and they will be pleased and intrigued to go through the book line by line with you. There’s a smoking gun on almost every page.

Re: HOAX: Lawrence Spencer’s ‘ALIEN INTERVIEW’

My personal application of that material was invested, somewhat, in The Oz Factors book. I am quite sure, in retrospect, that Matilda MacElroy — who read my book — confided the military transcripts published in Alien Interview to me because of the content of my book, for the reasons stated in the letter I received from her, which I published in the book Alien Interview.

My research for the book, “The Oz Factors”, in 1998 is what led me to the connection with Matilda MacElroy, who 10 years later, in 2008, mailed me the transcripts which I decided to publish in the form of the book, Alien Interview.

I don’t care if Bill Ryan, or anyone else, believes or disbelieves whether or not I wrote the material published in the book, Alien Interview. In fact, as I have stated many times, I cannot prove the identity of the person who used the assumed identity of “Matilda MacElroy”. However, as stated in the book, I received that material and published it exactly as described in the opening pages of the book.

As Bill points out, so authoritatively, why would I (or anyone) be stupid enough to write the material — even if I were capable of such, which I am not — and publish it as factual material? Moreover, what would be the point in it? Some sort of covert publicity stunt to promote a scientific or philosophic dogma? To sell books that I made available for FREE on the internet? In spite of what others may think, including self-appointed “authorities” on various subjects, the idiocy of such an undertaking would be too transparent for even the most gullible denizens of internet chat rooms.

In short, the actual authorship of the material contained in the letters and the transcripts as published in the book Alien Interview is subject to speculation. I certainly do not disagree with Bill Ryan that there a similarities between Hubbard and the material in the transcripts. However, the transcripts were recorded in July and August of 1947. The “similar material” that Hubbard published wasn’t published until AFTER 1947. In fact, not until 1950 or later.


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